tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434819406898941181.post6171083883424328188..comments2024-03-28T03:13:56.387-05:00Comments on MuskogeePolitico.com: Persuasion, Marketing, and Mark Shannon on "Ron Paulies"Jamison Faughthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02717547537110650231noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434819406898941181.post-19171822641572401472009-04-30T11:25:00.000-05:002009-04-30T11:25:00.000-05:00Well said is all I can say.Well said is all I can say.Jeff Shawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14792457569508828898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434819406898941181.post-13958083950519986612009-04-26T03:09:00.000-05:002009-04-26T03:09:00.000-05:00I was not a Ron Paul supporter. I *stupidly* voted...I was not a Ron Paul supporter. I *stupidly* voted for George Bush. I don't know who I would vote for. But I know I bought in to all of the party-line nonsense, the "mainstream" and that has served us all so gosh-darn well, hasn't it? <br />I have realized that y'all have done a FANTASTIC job of marginalizing all the Ron Paul supporters.<br />Congratulations. <br />I love a discussion of rudeness and inability to handle people being kicked off by someone who himself uses derisive terms like "Paulies" to refer to an entire group of people.<br />What is that, "Do as I say not as I do?"<br />It's the hypocrisy, stupid.<br />But actually, it's worse than that.<br />I know, regardless of whether or not I supported Ron Paul that he has been the most consistent politician regarding the Constitution. And that deserves respect.<br />The real trouble here is this: y'all don't REALLY want truly Conservative Constitutionalists in power. <br />Because you see, if you actually follow the Constitution, this whole entrenched power base that has been in existence, it goes right out the window.<br />I for one, am tired of all of this playing nice stuff. The slick-Willy politicians who compromise so much in the name of PC-niceness that they don't actually have any principles in tact by the time their through. <br />Ronald Reagan wasn't always Mr. Nice Guy. In fact, he was regularly admonished for how "radical" he was.<br />I think some of Dr. Paul's supporters are so passionate, just maybe, because they get the sense of urgency that is currently required. And they are a bit fed up with the rest of us who just don't seem to "get it". <br />Wow. Talking about the FEDERAL RESERVE. Only nuts do that, right?<br />The fact is, it's an extra-Constitutional body with little to no disclosure and it controls our money. Economic freedom = freedom. But only nuts talk about that stuff.<br />As far as Tom Coburn goes, yeah that baby does NEED to be thrown out with the bathwater.<br />Wake up folks. <br />The TARP bill was a watershed moment in our history.<br />Whoever voted for it is OUT. <br />If you have *any clue whatever* about how much trouble we are in right now, you would realize:<br />IT'S TIME WE CHANGE THE WAY WE DO EVERYTHING.<br />Where in the world has all of this kind of thinking gotten us to date? <br />Right where we are now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434819406898941181.post-6885929691667804112009-04-25T11:28:00.000-05:002009-04-25T11:28:00.000-05:00Left one out...
7) Mary Fallin is God.Left one out...<br />7) Mary Fallin is God.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434819406898941181.post-23716917587134459992009-04-25T02:07:00.000-05:002009-04-25T02:07:00.000-05:00Here's Mark Shannon's political philosophy:
1) T...Here's Mark Shannon's political philosophy:<br /><br />1) Tom Coburn is God.<br />2) Wayne Rohde is God.<br />3) Mick Cornett is God.<br />4) Ron Black is God.<br />5) Mark Shannon is God.<br />6) Everyone else is doo-doo.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434819406898941181.post-33238048767547508372009-04-25T01:52:00.000-05:002009-04-25T01:52:00.000-05:00I'd like to do my own paragraph-by-paragraph analy...I'd like to do my own paragraph-by-paragraph analysis of your paragraph-by-paragraph analysis:<br /><br />"This is key. One of the major downfalls for the "Ron Paulies" is their nearly across-the-board inability to communicate with those who do not agree with them. Far too often, they resort to name-calling, which leads to absolutely nowhere."<br /><br />I'll challenge you on that. Not only is this not "across-the-board", I've seen little, if any, name-calling. I have, however, seen Mark Shannon do his fair share, for instance when he compared those who booed Coburn's defense of his bailout vote to Hilter's Brown Shirts.<br /><br />"Politics is the art of persuading opponents to your line of thinking, and it demands the ability to articulate your positions clearly, and in a non-insulting manner. It requires debate, but it must be rational, logical, and courteous."<br /><br />And most of the debate I've seen that you've been a party to, the Paulers did not insult, were polite, logical, and courteous. While you personally may not have been discourteous, some of the other participants were. I don't see you blogging about them.<br /><br />"However, you must be able to put aside your differences, and work towards achieving a common goal, despite your lack of total philosophical unity. If the "Ron Paulies" truly wish to accomplish something, they must learn this valuable lesson."<br /><br />Methinks you need to read your own words here. You said yourself you agree with "Paulies" on a great many things, yet you see it fit to trash them in your blog repeatedly. Exactly who is unwilling to work with whom?<br /><br />"It's almost as if they are the only ones who can interpret the Constitution - and heaven forbid if you question them! They tend to have this almost arrogant attitude about it; 'We're Constitutional conservatives, and since you don't agree with us, you're big-government liberal establishment socialists!!!!!!'"<br /><br />And those who advocate torture, warrantless spying, and undeclared wars as being Constitutional, while smearing and slinging mud at all who disagree with them do not have an arrogant attitude? I don't see you blogging about and condemning such people even though the blogosphere and airwaves are replete with them.<br /><br />"I definitely agree in regards to Tom Coburn. Sen. Coburn, albeit making a mistake in my eyes regarding the TARP vote, has been the conservative's best friend for years (would the RPs have rather had Kirk Humphreys or Brad Carson?)."<br /><br />In the view of the "Paulies", TARP was not Coburn's only bad vote. There were many, many others. While he may be the best we have in the Senate, he himself admitted that TARP was unconstitutional on the floor of the Senate just before voting for it. He therefore premeditated the violation of his oath of office. And for that he has rightfully earned criticism. Shame on anyone who would silence that criticism.<br /><br />"For instance, instead of beginning by ranting about the Federal Reserve, how about discussing wasteful government spending, intrusion into the private sector, or even policies that lead to inflation. Those topics are more mainstream, but are still related in a general way to the Fed."<br /><br />But they aren't. The Fed is the root of it all, and we've been complaining for decades about wasteful spending, etc, and we've just gotten deeper and deeper in debt. The only solution is to start speaking the truth that everyone is too afraid to utter, because it's not "mainstream" enough. This mealy-mouthed approach of dodging the real issues so we don't seem to far outside the "mainstream" is exactly why we're in the mess we're in today. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.<br /><br />"This is a prime example of what I've just written about. Mark Shannon and the "Ron Paulies" probably agree on many issues, but the manner with which they've presented themselves has alienated a potential ally."<br /><br />This is a prime example of what I've just written about. Mark Shannon, Jameson Faught, and the "Ron Paulies" probably agree on many issues, but the manner in which Faught and Shannon repeatedly attack the Paul supporters has alienated HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of potential allies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434819406898941181.post-36793289593369669482009-04-24T14:13:00.000-05:002009-04-24T14:13:00.000-05:00I have two observations for you.
First, you imply...I have two observations for you.<br /><br />First, you imply that "Paulies" are universally a certain way. Upon what evidence are you basing this? Have you had very broad exposure to many Ron Paul supporters to justify blanketing ALL of them with a label? Are there not supporters of other candidates who you find disagreeable? And if so, do you blanket all of them as well? If not, why?<br /><br />Second, given the above, are you any better than the people you claim are tactless? Are you not yourself being unnecessarily offensive to an entire SWATHE of people who might otherwise be your allies? Consider the fact you agree with them on many things - such as support for Senator Brogdon for Governor. Yet you're willing to alienate them by posting things like this. I call hypocrisy.<br /><br />The same goes for Mr. Shannon, who first wrote an article on his blog bashing "Strict Constitutionalists". He apparently doesn't like it when people are confident in their opinions. Second, he went on-air and compared anyone who booed Coburn's vote for the Bailout (many of whom were Ron Paul supporters) to Hilter's Brown Shirts. Yeah, that's a great way to win friends and influence people, Mark!<br /><br />And now this. Does he, or YOU, for that matter, really think he's doing any better a job of not alienating people by printing and saying such inflammatory things, targeted at specific people who could just as easily be allies?<br /><br />Think about what you are doing. Before you go to remove the speck from a "Paulies" eye, consider the log in your own.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434819406898941181.post-58384820365955725632009-04-24T12:55:00.000-05:002009-04-24T12:55:00.000-05:00Though some Ron Paul supporters are like that, not...Though some Ron Paul supporters are like that, not all of them are, you should remember.R. Artskydnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434819406898941181.post-64699043656477570782009-04-24T10:25:00.000-05:002009-04-24T10:25:00.000-05:00We always called them ronbots... and there were a ...We always called them ronbots... and there were a good number of them on the old Ann Coulter Message Boards. I learned quickly that they are really the worst of the worst in terms of pretending to be for a different candidate just so they can get in with a group then "convert" to Ron Paul and expose supposed dirt on the candidate they were pretending to support. Watch for this tactic on talk radio also in the future.RDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17392496670236140241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434819406898941181.post-53526805839573850132009-04-23T19:18:00.000-05:002009-04-23T19:18:00.000-05:00Thanks for a very clear expression of what has tur...Thanks for a very clear expression of what has turned me off of the Paulies, however much I agree with them. I'd rather have Romney in the White House than ideological purity (and he is a stretch for me!). <br /><br />Often the Paulies remind me of those idiots in South Carolina who would not let someone speak because he opposed open borders. What's the difference? Rudeness is rudeness and either will win an election.TereMuskogeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00100205561361234451noreply@blogger.com